In French law the arduousness is not defined

The UMP today organizes a Conference on pensions in the Assembly. In charge of the file in the party, Member of Parliament for the Marne Arnaud tap believes that the reform "can conditioning 2012."

Need both to raise the legal age of retirement and increase the duration of assessment

Everything depends on the horizon that it wants to reform. If this is a short term horizon, i.e. 2020, the parameter which will have the greatest impact is the decline in the age of retirement. If it opts for a more distant horizon, it will have to play on the increase in the duration of contribution, in the right line of the Fillon reform in 2003. Me, I would rather favour that we play on two levers, to have a horizon to 2030. Our electorate is waiting for us. This reform can conditioning 2012.

At what level raise the retirement age

Personally, 62 years seems to me to a minimum.

Is it possible to go up to 65 years

This can be dangerous socially, but the majority must be courageous. For me, 65 is in the field of possible if stands by 2030.

The right-wing electorate grows total harmonization public-private. But the Government is cautious. What do you recommend

It is a strong demand of our activists, our supporters and beyond, but the problem is complex. We must enhance, accelerate the convergence of public-private but, at the same time, it is not that the debate focuses only on the reference period for calculating the pension, i.e. the last six months for the public service and the best twenty-five years for the private sector. Let's see if can modify this reference period while being reasonable. However, there are other issues to improve: I think the contributions - which are not identical in the two systems - and pension reversion - there is no ceiling in the public service. But also the opportunity to retire after 15 years with three children in the public service.

How do the police, firefighters, air traffic controllers, who can retire at 50 or 55 years

The specificities of these professions must be viewed through the hardship. In French law, the arduousness is not defined. Going to have to make very attention not to open the box of Pandora and recreate special regimes. Me, I wish that the arduous nature be considered non-collective and individual manner. The employee could see its health followed throughout his professional career by a commission, with the establishment of a professional health book.

The Socialist Party insists on the employment of senior citizens, including a generalization of tutoring and a "deterrent penalty" for refractory enterprises. So do you agree

Non. We must stop the policy of the stick to business. Of course, it will have to emphasize and encourage mentoring. But, for me, it is the cost of the work that is a disincentive to the employment of senior citizens. Give a blow of accelerator to the recruitment of senior citizens by reducing - default to delete - unemployment contributions and retirement.

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